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Wednesday, Feb. 23 – Electric Propulsion & Solar Cruising – The Future is Now

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Electric Propulsion & Solar Cruising – The Future is Now

Wednesday Feb 23, 2022 at 7:00pm EST in the U.S. (4:00pm PST)

This panel of designers, builders and owners will discuss the concepts of “electric boating” versus “solar boating”, and then we’ll leap into the fast-approaching next phase of electric propulsion — solar cruising (cruising with unlimited range relying only on solar charging and electric power). We’ll look closely at two boats that cruise with unlimited range powered only by the sun and never plugging in (the future is now).

Speakers:

  • Moderator: Steve Stone, Co-Founder of Off Center Harbor and the Worldwide Classic Boat Show
  • Joe Grez – Electric Motor Designer – Electric Paddle / EP Carry
  • Sam Devlin – Wooden Boat Designer & Builder – Devlin Boats
  • Alex Borton – Co-Owner – Solar Sal Boats 

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39 responses to “Wednesday, Feb. 23 – Electric Propulsion & Solar Cruising – The Future is Now”

  1. Minot Weld Avatar
    Minot Weld

    will a recording of this presentation be made available?

    1. Boat Show Crew Avatar
      Boat Show Crew

      After the show, the presentation recording will be available on http://www.offcenterharbor.com

  2. Rob vanNostrand Avatar
    Rob vanNostrand

    Wonderful insights to a developing industry. My two big take away’s were Low speed is good for range, and you don’t really need to plug in to charge – FREE lifestyle is great. I played a bit with a small electric trolling motor (1/4 hp?) on a 16′ Widgeon sailboat. Main problem was in rough seas, but fine in calm waters. Thank to all including the design insights.

  3. DALE COUNIHAN Avatar
    DALE COUNIHAN

    What was the build cost of the solar catamaran? Sounds like a great long-term solution to cruising.

  4. Curtis Patzer Avatar
    Curtis Patzer

    Great discussion. Thank you all, and thanks for posting the video after.
    I would like to see more discussions on solar electric cruising and solar electric auxiliaries for sailboats.

  5. Dav PArker Avatar
    Dav PArker

    Sorry I missed your show! I converted a Voyage 440 sailing catamaran to an all electric/solar powerboat in 2016, we spend about 6 months a year living on it. 20 solar panels for 7200 watts, two 15 KW Oceanvolt electric motors, two 17 KW diesel generators (for backup and overnight cruising) and Super B LiFePO4 batteries. Typical cruising is 15-20 miles a day island hopping, cruising at 4.5-5.0 knots. Spent 7 weeks in the Abacos last year without the generators ever starting. Details at Indigo lady Conversion to Solar on Facebook or email me at daveonindigolady@gmail.com

  6. Duffy Avatar
    Duffy

    We are looking to power the 1938 18ft Poulsbo boat “Lyra” It was rebuilt in 2017 at the school in Hadlock. Had a Yamaha 8hp on it. Any suggestions?

  7. Jerry Culik Avatar
    Jerry Culik

    Excellent discussion. Thank you all.

  8. Nicholas Fidelibus Avatar
    Nicholas Fidelibus

    thank you

  9. Howard Rice Avatar
    Howard Rice

    Thanks

  10. Tom Boater Avatar
    Tom Boater

    What an amazing trip to Alaska! Thanks for the talks, all!

  11. Felix Graham-Jones Avatar
    Felix Graham-Jones

    in design terms, do sailing rigs and solar panels work together?

    1. Dav PArker Avatar
      Dav PArker

      Hi Felix, Your rig will always cast some shadow in your panels, so you will need to be thoughtful in your panel wiring. Choose high voltage panels (70 VDC) and wire them in parallel. That way if any panel is shaded, it will not contribute but the others will.

  12. Walter S Avatar
    Walter S

    Would converting a 22′ Marshall Cat by removing mast /keel, adding a cabin top be a good candidate to go electric?

    1. Dav PArker Avatar
      Dav PArker

      Adding a roof over a cat provides welcome shade in the cockpit as well as a great platform for lots of panels.

  13. Brian Clancy Avatar
    Brian Clancy

    Would a power cat in need of a repower be a good candidate for solar cruiser conversion?

    1. Dav PArker Avatar
      Dav PArker

      Power cats typically run at speeds that would eat a lot of battery capacity. Pushing a cat at speeds above 5 knots will nearly double the power required for each knot! If you can accept 5 knot cruising, then yes it would work. If you need the 10 knot speeds, then stay with the diesels or invest in huge battery banks (like the new electric pickup trucks do).

  14. Paul Smith Avatar
    Paul Smith

    Now I see them – sorry

  15. Paul Smith Avatar
    Paul Smith

    I’m not seeing or hearing the questions – I can hear the answers. Am I doing something wrong?

  16. Jonathan Lewis Avatar
    Jonathan Lewis

    Preference for AGM or Lithium Iron Phosphate? Thanks.

  17. Orson Smith Avatar
    Orson Smith

    To what extent is electric and solar sailing likely to benefit from present rapid developments in electric road vehicles?

  18. Gregory Jacobs Avatar
    Gregory Jacobs

    Please evaluate the risks (or not) of a variety of high tech batteries on electric boats.

  19. Louis Vallee Avatar
    Louis Vallee

    Cost about $6000 in fuel for me to go to Alaska in a 30 ft Cabin Cruiser. Speed around 15Knots

  20. Doug Korlann Avatar
    Doug Korlann

    How does the EP Carry outboard motor housing relate to water?

  21. Tiyana Wolf-Whitehead Avatar
    Tiyana Wolf-Whitehead

    I recently discovered salt water batteries. Does anyone know if these would work for solar cruising?

  22. Eric Fickeisen Avatar
    Eric Fickeisen

    perfect trolling speed, did you catch any fish?

  23. Mark Platts Avatar
    Mark Platts

    Great presentations and information – thank you to the presenters! The non-profit I lead, Susquehanna National Heritage Area in Pennsylvania, recently acquired the Chief Uncas, a 1912 ELCO 55ft electric motor yacht, for service as our public tour boat on the Susquehanna River starting next summer. The Chief Uncas is in the boat show at this link: https://dev.classicboatshow.com/listing/chief-uncas-27-elco-power-cruiser-1930/. To learn more about our organization and our boat tours visit us at our website here: http://www.susqnha.org. We’re also on Facebook @SusqNHA, where you can follow us for future updates on the Chief Uncas tours.

  24. Eric Fickeisen Avatar
    Eric Fickeisen

    fabulous, thanks Joe.!

  25. Nathan Leonard Avatar
    Nathan Leonard

    Would appreciate any observations regarding electric outboards and the newer Temo unit, mostly for dinghies.

  26. Antonio Osse Avatar
    Antonio Osse

    Would love to have a complete comparison in long term costs. Like a 100 percent solar powered boat around 30ft running at 10knts X a diesel powered similar boat with similar speed. We hear that, while buying an electric car, most people ignore the hidden huge costs of replacing batteries in ? years… Same case here? Thanks a lot from Brazil.

  27. Douglas Wade Avatar
    Douglas Wade

    In 2018 I completed a build of a solar electric boat. It is based upon the P.W. Blandford design called Nomad and is stretched from 16 to 18 feet. The propulsion system is a 2 kW Torqeedo outboard motor, 900 Watts of solar power and 3600 Wh of lithium iron phosphate battery storage. On a sunny day in Toronto I can travel 40 Nm at 4.25 knots and or travel 20 Nm in the dark. Under full sun I can travel at 3 knots and charge the batteries. September prior to Covid I cruised the Rideau Canal from just north of Kingston to Ottawa and back. I plugged in three times in fourteen days and did so mainly because power happened to be available. A description of my build was published by “Small Craft Advisor” magazine issue 120. Quiet cruising is wonderful!

  28. Roger & Elizabeth Gruben Avatar
    Roger & Elizabeth Gruben

    We have been enjoying electric cruising on our 1930 Elco Marinette with an EP-20 Elco motor & 6 Lithium (LiFeP0) batteries since 2017 and will never go back to loud, stinky propulsion again. The shallow draft and quiet motor enable us to cruise the many creeks and rivers near us and sneak up on wildlife and unsuspecting neighbors. I certainly agree that this is the future of boating, but I also love that we are also honoring the past with this 92-year-old electric beauty.

  29. Christopher Hoelfeldt Lund Avatar
    Christopher Hoelfeldt Lund

    I would appreciate some advice.
    In 2017 we launched a 65′ gaff steel cutter, the Edgar J. March. You’ll find her on the show.
    The intention was to have a diesel-electric propulsion, with a Steyr 144E38-based 60 KW generator charging a 45 kw Lithium Ion battery pack, feeding two 60 kw electric motors, designed by a British company, MSP.
    Thus, she could run silently for an hour (in spite her 70 tons, it takes little power to run Edgar J. March at 5 knots) before the generator would kick in.
    In 2017, the vessel was ready , awaiting the engine. Following months of delays, MSP suddenly announced they were unable to provide the engine system.
    The cutter was parked at great cost on land in Poland, we live in Stockholm, and winter was approaching.
    So, as a temporary measure in order to limp home, we got them to send us the Steyr. We exchanged the generator part fitted on the Steyr with a hydraulic system feeding the two engine shafts. We’re still sailing with this temporary system, which is unsatisfactory.
    Now, the question:
    If I were to return to the hybrid electric propulsion, what would be the best (ie economical) solution?
    Or should I wait some years for lower prices?
    I have the generator that came fitted on the Steyr.

    Thanking you in advance,
    Christopher H. Lund

  30. George McNeir Avatar
    George McNeir

    Gee whiz guys, I designed and built my private, all plywood build, Totally Electric Powered Solar boat from 1986 with a lengthening from 30 to 40 feet in 2007.

    Of course I am only on the east coast in North Carolina and news might be too slow what with our southern drawl. Been contacting you to get into the World Wide thing you’ve got going on but so far no number in a circle in old NC but have seen a few other boats indicated nearby. mogcanalboat.com has a picture and some data. George McNeir

    1. George McNeir Avatar
      George McNeir

      Some videos of the MOG solar boat with older electric motors and new Torqeedos….
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc2E9ebuYXI
      https://youtu.be/TLpwebmnKhs
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCZvUGx326I

      1. George McNeir Avatar
        George McNeir

        Wow.
        It is great that your group has allowed the MOG Canal Boat to appear on the World Wide Classic Boat Show map. My thanks are not only for the MOG Totally Electric Powered Solar boat but are for, with hope, many folks who might be interested in funding a build of there own with a proficient boat builder or building their own.

        I am not in the business of building solar boats for others. However, I am most interested in allowing my hard won knowledge to encourage others all over the world to question the current paradigm of petroleum and wind. No slight is intended to power or sail boats, instead the warranted inclusion of totally solar electric boats.

        My blog and site, although small and not slick, is for the beginner and professional to query the data, form opinions and challenge current technologies as well as themselves.

        Do persist in your wonderful efforts to expand the very best in boat building and allowing me to make some small contribution.

    2. Steve Stone Avatar
      Steve Stone

      Hi George. Looks like your ALGEMAC II, a 40′ Solar-Electric Cruiser is in the show, so she should be showing up on the map in NC, despite the southern drawl. Here’s the link:
      https://dev.classicboatshow.com/listing/algemac-ii/

      And lots of classic boat enthusiasts nearby you around Wilmington on the Guest Map:
      https://dev.classicboatshow.com/guest-map/

      1. Alan Kane Avatar
        Alan Kane

        Folks. I have a friend with a 24 foot barge type houseboat design with a junk rig sail, plus 2 Torqeedos, The sailor is physically limited, but not limited to local waters. She has cruised up and down the Maine coast in comfort and safety. The boat is slow, of course, but draws little, so she can find anchorage even if she bottoms out with the tide. Even on 2 weeks trips, she never had to connect to any power! Wind and solar took her everywhere. On long passages, she averaged close to 4 knots. The world needs more of these boats, and slow down to enjoy the experience. A lot of us might find going slower and quieter is actually more fun. Thanks for producing some good alternatives for cruising or just getting out on the water.

        1. Shemaya Laurel Avatar
          Shemaya Laurel

          hey, Chubba, thanks for the mention! Just to add a little clarification, those 4 knot averages are with a really good breeze 🙂 But on the other hand, sometimes I was gone for a good bit more than two weeks, and although the boat is fitted with shore power chargers, the only time I used them was after the boat was pulled out of the water the beginning of November and inside a shed for some work, so couldn’t get sunlight. Though I REALLY noticed the decrease in capacity by about the middle of October, here in downeast Maine.

          This presentation is WONDERFUL! I learned so much, and it really helps with understanding particular design issues that I approached by guesstimate and use of available space. The results are right in line with what would be predicted by what everybody said in this program – the solar panel area on this boat is adequate for judicious motor use, in combination with periods of sail-only for long trips. But previously I was a motorless sailor, so the pace suits my inclinations, and feels quite luxurious compared to how long it sometimes took to get places motorless. The boat is Great Auk, and can be seen here: http://www.sailingauklet.com

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